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ATs MP shove or induce (45man poker stars)

Discussion in 'Hand analysis' started by hayatekirino, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. hayatekirino

    hayatekirino New Member

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    PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: 13.35 BB (VPIP: 16.91, PFR: 6.50, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 136)
    BB: 16.17 BB (VPIP: 17.66, PFR: 14.92, 3Bet Preflop: 6.44, Hands: 7,244)
    UTG: 5.29 BB (VPIP: 16.33, PFR: 9.79, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 448)
    UTG+1: 5.46 BB (VPIP: 18.67, PFR: 16.92, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 77)
    Hero (MP): 16.22 BB
    MP+1: 6.29 BB (VPIP: 8.70, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
    CO: 13.9 BB (VPIP: 18.34, PFR: 16.98, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 416)
    BTN: 5.06 BB (VPIP: 24.86, PFR: 19.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.65, Hands: 721)

    8 players post ante of 0.06 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 2 BB) Hero has A:diamond: T:diamond:

    fold, fold, Hero raises to 16.16 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold,

    Some thoughts:If i raise x2.3 that i usually raise then i give all the opportunity to reshove (notice all stacks above 20BB). If i shove i take action generally only by better or 50/50 situations.

    Listen opinions.Naturally a shove is easy +EV.But is the maximum value or i loose value by fear;
     
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  2. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    If this is final table (important piece of data) then minraise inducing versus other big stacks is likely going to be -EV. If this is non final table spot then I would minraise-call good amount of players. For reason you mentioned that by shoving most weaker hands fold. This hand also has pretty nice postflop playability if someone call.
     
  3. hayatekirino

    hayatekirino New Member

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    I am sorry i thought i was clear about the hand.Its at 16 players remain and this is a hard spot for me because if i mini raise means that i am committed with utg, utg+1, mp and btn. Am i wrong?So i decided to shove every day.Because fight back by icm if i mini raise is only JJ+, and maybe AKs
     
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    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    Do you mean you could only call with AKs, JJ+ after minraising and facing shove from bigger stack? If so I don't think ICM is even closely that heavy. But yeah if you face big stack shoving its not great spot. You can analyze with HRC advanced hand and using e.g. 80/20 price structure. So you are accounting some ICM.

    When comparing minraise-call or shove those bigger Ax or bigger pockets are kind of irrelevant because those hands will be calling anyway. So bigger question is if you can get enough hands that you are ahead or dominating to shove account for higher equity ICM requires. Also there is possibility of flats but with hand like this it's not that bad spot to happen.
     
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