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  1. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    It was working fine some half hour ago.
     
  2. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    Rare spot for holdem hand. Being ahead in equity in turn while having way weaker made hand:

    But yeah absurd amount of outs: hearts, 2, 4. 5, 6, 7 ---> 9 + 3 + 3 + 3 +3 + 3 = 24 outs :D

    Microgaming - 75/150 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BB: 5,190 (VPIP: 24.87, PFR: 20.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.24, Hands: 2,988)
    Hero (SB): 6,810

    Hero posts SB 75, BB posts BB 150

    Pre Flop: (pot: 225) Hero has 6:heart: J:heart:

    Hero raises to 300, BB calls 150

    Flop: (600, 2 players) J:club: 4:spade: 5:heart:
    BB checks, Hero bets 240, BB raises to 765, Hero calls 525

    Turn: (2,130, 2 players) 3:heart:
    BB bets 4,125 and is all-in, Hero calls 4,125

    River: (10,380, 2 players) 3:club:

    BB shows 3:diamond: J:diamond: (Full House, Threes full of Jacks)
    (Pre 42%, Flop 20%, Turn 48%)
    Hero shows 6:heart: J:heart: (Two Pair, Jacks and Threes)
    (Pre 58%, Flop 80%, Turn 52%)
    BB wins 10,380
     
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  3. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    Well this one was one of most nasty setups in quite a while. Especially in bubble with big stacks :D

    Mostly thought that ok he has 8x and I likely win when he shoved. Did think about shoving river as well that if he happens to have 4x. But also thought that he might call much more often versus bit smaller sizing with some Ax as well.

    Microgaming - 50/100 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BB): 5,520
    BTN: 1,455 (VPIP: 19.82, PFR: 10.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.19, Hands: 3,167)
    SB: 5,025 (VPIP: 34.98, PFR: 19.46, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 235)

    SB posts SB 50, Hero posts BB 100

    Pre Flop: (pot: 150) Hero has 8:spade: 9:heart:

    fold, SB raises to 200, Hero calls 100

    Flop: (400, 2 players) 8:diamond: 8:club: 4:spade:
    SB checks, Hero bets 200, SB calls 200

    Turn: (800, 2 players) 9:club:
    SB checks, Hero bets 600, SB calls 600

    River: (2,000, 2 players) 4:heart:
    SB checks, Hero bets 1,500, SB raises to 4,025 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,525


    Hero shows 8:spade: 9:heart: (Full House, Eights full of Nines)
    (Pre 50%, Flop 23%, Turn 98%)
    SB shows 4:diamond: 4:club: (Four of a Kind, Fours)
    (Pre 50%, Flop 77%, Turn 2%)
    SB wins 10,050
     
  4. goodformbrah

    goodformbrah Active Member

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    Hi Ghaleon. Still having problems with graphs, hard to know how well i am doing as it is not processing my games correctly. This is a picture. Most of my games winnings are even, also overall net adjusted, the most important. I am clearing database before i started a session. Just very annoying, hard to analysis edge when there is no graph :tdown:. Any suggestions?
     

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  5. boza774

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    If that is microgming, PT4 can't process results because they are not provided anywhere in hand history. You can add them manually after session, but adjusted results will still be wrong.
     
  6. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    Yeah for me it shows every game as 0$ buyin so $ graphs are not possible. Manual editing make no sense. Just waste of time.
     
  7. boza774

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    Keeping track of your own results makes no sense?? It takes like 10 min for 40-ish SnGs once you get the hang of it.
     
  8. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    Well imo sharkscope takes care of result tracking good enough even though it misses some games.
     
  9. Ghaleon

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    This hand shows prime reason why cbetting or leading all pairs on flops is not that good idea. Especially versus aggro player:

    Microgaming - 50/100 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: 1,892 (VPIP: 26.54, PFR: 17.03, 3Bet Preflop: 7.19, Hands: 1,227)
    Hero (BB): 1,108

    2 players post ante of 10, SB posts SB 50, Hero posts BB 100

    Pre Flop: (pot: 170) Hero has 6:heart: 8:diamond:

    SB calls 50, Hero checks

    Flop: (220, 2 players) 6:spade: K:club: 8:spade:
    Hero checks, SB bets 105, Hero raises to 280, SB calls 175

    Turn: (780, 2 players) A:club:
    Hero bets 718 and is all-in, SB calls 718

    River: (2,216, 2 players) 5:club:

    SB shows 8:club: 5:heart: (Two Pair, Eights and Fives)
    (Pre 40%, Flop 12%, Turn 7%)
    Hero shows 6:heart: 8:diamond: (Two Pair, Eights and Sixes)
    (Pre 60%, Flop 88%, Turn 93%)
    Hero wins 2,216

    Thing is that I can have Kx, 68, sometimes AA I can raise for value easily. But I can also have some flush draws or 97, T9 type of hands sometimes as well. So after villain bets flop he is in awkward situation. Not really beating anything from my value range but also in pretty draw heavy board where his hand can be good. Turn A is actually relatively blank. Well villain can more easily have some Ax but I would be value shoving Kx there.
     
  10. Ghaleon

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    Have not been greates last few sessions in sng. But still just minor losses like few hundred dollars. But when things go like this its hard to make profit :)

    Microgaming - 100/200 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BB: 8,180 (VPIP: 33.52, PFR: 25.45, 3Bet Preflop: 13.71, Hands: 934)
    Hero (SB): 3,820

    Hero posts SB 100, BB posts BB 200

    Pre Flop: (pot: 300) Hero has Q:spade: 2:spade:

    Hero calls 100, BB raises to 600, Hero calls 400

    Flop: (1,200, 2 players) Q:diamond: 6:spade: 6:diamond:
    BB bets 600, Hero calls 600

    Turn: (2,400, 2 players) 8:spade:
    BB bets 1,400, Hero raises to 2,620 and is all-in, BB calls 1,220

    River: (7,640, 2 players) 9:club:


    BB shows 4:club: 6:heart: (Three of a Kind, Sixes)
    (Pre 41%, Flop 88%, Turn 77%)
    Hero shows Q:spade: 2:spade: (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
    (Pre 59%, Flop 12%, Turn 23%)
    BB wins 7,640


    Player on above hand made this play on bubble so no getting away from that. Well should have probably shoved just in case he makes that play with Jx or some K high and manages to call. Though usually people are not calling worse in there.

    Microgaming - 75/150 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: 2,695 (VPIP: 30.32, PFR: 23.86, 3Bet Preflop: 7.80, Hands: 880)
    SB: 4,260 (VPIP: 33.37, PFR: 25.35, 3Bet Preflop: 13.36, Hands: 897)
    Hero (BB): 5,045

    SB posts SB 75, Hero posts BB 150

    Pre Flop: (pot: 225) Hero has T:heart: A:diamond:

    fold, SB raises to 450, Hero calls 300

    Flop: (900, 2 players) A:spade: A:heart: 6:club:
    SB bets 450, Hero calls 450

    Turn: (1,800, 2 players) J:club:
    SB bets 900, Hero calls 900

    River: (3,600, 2 players) J:heart:
    SB bets 1,800, Hero calls 1,800

    SB shows 8:club: 5:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
    (Pre 39%, Flop 6%, Turn 16%)
    Hero shows T:heart: A:diamond: (Full House, Aces full of Jacks)
    (Pre 61%, Flop 94%, Turn 84%)
    Hero wins 7,200


    In here some fishy spewy reg was doing what he is good at. Just ugly river.

    Microgaming - 20/40 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (SB): 981
    BB: 1,579
    (VPIP: 34.41, PFR: 30.50, 3Bet Preflop: 13.46, Hands: 417)
    BTN: 440 (VPIP: 30.48, PFR: 25.26, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 107)

    3 players post ante of 4, Hero posts SB 20, BB posts BB 40

    Pre Flop: (pot: 72) Hero has 9:club: Q:club:

    fold, Hero calls 20, BB checks

    Flop: (92, 2 players) 9:heart: 5:heart: 3:diamond:
    Hero checks, BB bets 40, Hero calls 40

    Turn: (172, 2 players) Q:spade:
    Hero checks, BB bets 172, Hero calls 172

    River: (516, 2 players) 3:club:
    Hero checks, BB bets 1,323 and is all-in, Hero calls 725 and is all-in


    Hero shows 9:club: Q:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
    (Pre 68%, Flop 75%, Turn 95%)
    BB shows 3:spade: 2:heart: (Three of a Kind, Threes)
    (Pre 32%, Flop 25%, Turn 5%)
    BB wins 1,966
     
  11. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    The feeling when you get villain to spew heavily in HU :D

    Microgaming - 15/30 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: 520 (VPIP: 69.39, PFR: 48.89, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 57)
    Hero (BB): 480

    SB posts SB 15, Hero posts BB 30

    Pre Flop: (pot: 45) Hero has 3:heart: T:spade:

    SB calls 15, Hero checks

    Flop: (60, 2 players) T:club: 9:diamond: A:club:
    Hero checks, SB bets 30, Hero raises to 90, SB raises to 490 and is all-in, Hero calls 360 and is all-in

    Turn: (960, 2 players) 8:diamond:

    River: (960, 2 players) T:diamond:

    SB shows J:club: 6:diamond: (One Pair, Tens)
    (Pre 63%, Flop 21%, Turn 25%)
    Hero shows 3:heart: T:spade: (Three of a Kind, Tens)
    (Pre 37%, Flop 79%, Turn 75%)
    Hero wins 960
     
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  12. goodformbrah

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    Hi Ghaleon, hope the grind is going well. I think i may have asked before but do you filter your stats by stack sizes? Bencb (highstakes player) recommends it. I believe it is useful when playing regs as you have a larger sample size but not great vs unknowns. Also sometimes have problems when the stats are a hand behind the action and sometimes they seem to freeze the hand count. Just wondered your thoughts on this?
     
  13. makinee

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    Mikä idea x reissata tuo käsi flopilla?
     
  14. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    I have not used it. Yeah it can be convenient versus some regs. But if using both player amount and stack size filters then sample size problems become pretty big versus lot of opponents.
     
  15. Ghaleon

    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    Näyttää aikasta optimistiselta näin jälkeenpäin, mutta luultavasti oon olettanu et vihu ei juuri vahvoja käsiä limppaile ja kykenee tekeen floutteja tai 3bet bluffeja tossa spotissa. Kovin paljoahan mulla ei Ax tai mitään settejä pitäs tos olla, joten oon varmaan olettanu et vihu ei usko mun korotukseen.Tää oli enkku blogi et jos suomeksi haluat jatkaa niin laita tonne toiseen blogiin :)

    Sorry for some Finnish talk!
     
  16. makinee

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    Yes sorry i didnt notice that this is english version. I just asked what was In mind check raising the flop with that hand.
     
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  17. Neo1186

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    And what was in mind check-raise-calling the flop here? Would have asked the same thing, some pretty good reads on opponent I guess, can't remember if I ever played a line like that with this type of hand (with better Tx vs some opponents I would, but then again check-calling could also be option).
     
  18. Ghaleon

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    Yeah had reads that villain limps rarely with anything strong and that he can be non believer if I check-raise in spot like that. Far away from any standard play...
     
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  19. Ghaleon

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    Some HUSNG tomorrow. Was supposed to be on previous week but was sick most of that week. So probably some action on unibet. I had no delay previous time so if doing in same way I will play some 1-10€ games probably. Games are starting with 33bb so they are bit slower than e.g. stars hypers but not as slow as turbo.

    Anyway lot easier to comment on hands without delay.
     
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  20. Ghaleon

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    Bit ugly "misthought" in today session in 100€ sng. Defended preflop from BB with nice suited connector. Flop mandatory call. Turn I would have folded without flush draw opening. In river I should have folded always but somehow when river came my brain was convinced that I hit 2 pair! Hoped that he has AQ, AK which he probably value shoves. Well he did have AK but my hand was not 67s :D

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    So it doesnt hurt to make sure of your own hand by using tiny bit of brain activity...
     
  21. Ghaleon

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    Had interesting spot in a way in 5max sng bubble yesterday. Stacks were roughly:

    BU, Hero: 13BB
    SB: 29BB
    BB: 3BB

    Hero A7s

    Hero limp, SB shove, BB call, Hero call

    So price structure is 65/35. I thought open shoving is somewhat thin so decided to limp. If SB completes I get some advantage from team play. But I thought SB could shove really wide so my plan was sort of "semi induce". Obviously folding if SB shove and BB fold but planning to overcall if BB calls.

    I did bit of HRC stuff: Holdemresources Hand Viewer

    Obviously sort pf problem is that we can only induce really tight range versus SB if BB folds so having only limping range is not that good. But interesting thing is that open shoving would be around breakeven with A7s in FGS1 but if we limp, e.g. SB shoves 45% and BB calls 40% then A7s overcall is +0.7%

    Now down side is that sometimes we will bubble here. But at same time if we shove and SB calls it will usually be versus hand which has hand like A7s always dominated.
     
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    Hi Ghaleon ive a quick question,

    ive been playing some 6max Turbos lately and did a lot of HRC calcs to improce my icm game. My question is: How much does ev adj. say in PT4? Should I be concerned about this:

    [​IMG]

    :crazy: I know its no sample but on a bigger chart my ev goes down even further
     
  23. Ghaleon

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    Well yeah if in bigger sample EV goes down it is sign of some problems. EV is always closer to truth than results. Well assuming that function works correctly but if this is stars there is probably no problem in it. In turbo format there is stack depth for lot more than shove/fold stuff so biggest problems could be outside of those.

    Blindly following nash ranges is also often questionable. Key point is knowing your opponents.
    So as example if nash says some spot is clear any2 shove it assumes that villain(s) calling have tight ranges because of ICM. If on other hand you often get too wide calls adjustment should be to not shove as wide and so on. Also often people are not as aggressive themselves in shoving so having tighter calling ranges can be reasonable.

    Kind of obvious things I suppose. If you want you can post your positional stats. Like how much you raise from each position, how much you 3bet or defend blinds. With that sort of data I can do bit more than just make some guesses :)
     
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